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		<title>By: Thorne</title>
		<link>http://misterthorne.org/set_in_style/2009/06/08/recuse-who/comment-page-1/#comment-39665</link>
		<dc:creator>Thorne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bobo -- The issue is about transitive verbs: those which require an object. &quot;Masturbate,&quot; &quot;Wash,&quot; and &quot;Shave&quot; are not transitive. They don&#039;t need objects.

&quot;Excuse&quot; and &quot;Accuse,&quot; like &quot;Recuse,&quot; ARE transitive.

Would it make sense to say &quot;The man excused,&quot; or &quot;the man accused?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobo &#8212; The issue is about transitive verbs: those which require an object. &#8220;Masturbate,&#8221; &#8220;Wash,&#8221; and &#8220;Shave&#8221; are not transitive. They don&#8217;t need objects.</p>
<p>&#8220;Excuse&#8221; and &#8220;Accuse,&#8221; like &#8220;Recuse,&#8221; ARE transitive.</p>
<p>Would it make sense to say &#8220;The man excused,&#8221; or &#8220;the man accused?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bobo Linq</title>
		<link>http://misterthorne.org/set_in_style/2009/06/08/recuse-who/comment-page-1/#comment-36455</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobo Linq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Thorne,

You seem to have some fantasy of a Platonic word cave in which the &quot;true essence&quot; of words can be found. Your entire argument is based on the premise that &quot;recuse&quot; is &quot;transitive&quot; in some essentially true way. This is silly. If we want to know how recuse should be used, we must look at how it is used. 

As for your sarcastic argument that using &quot;recuse&quot; without an object is an instance of some more-abstract rule that &quot;when the object is not stated, the object is the subject,&quot; this, too, is just silly. Your &quot;rule&quot; is obviously not a rule, but no one said or implied that it was. You&#039;ve simply picked an arbitrary level of abstraction to describe what&#039;s happening with &quot;recuse&quot;; at a lower level of abstraction—that is, at the level of the word &quot;recuse&quot; itself—there&#039;s no problem with the &quot;rule&quot; (which is really just a description of linguistic facts about how &quot;recuse&quot; is used) that &quot;recuse&quot; when used non-reflexively is implicitly reflexive.

This should prove my point (though I expect that you are too enamored of your Platonic word cave to agree):

(1) The man masturbated.
(2) The man masturbated his dog.

Both of these are standard English. Neither of them is ambiguous, and neither of them is an instance of some &quot;new rule&quot; in which an object, because unstated, is the subject. To the extent that there is a &quot;rule&quot; at work here, it is this:  

When transitive verbs are used reflexively, the reflexive pronoun (the direct object) need not always be expressed. When the reflexive pronoun is omitted, the verb will be understood to be reflexive.

Examples abound:

(1) I washed. (Understood to mean &quot;I washed myself.&quot;)
(2) I washed my car.

Or:

(1) I shaved. (Understood to mean &quot;I shaved myself.&quot;)
(2) I shaved my cat.

Etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Thorne,</p>
<p>You seem to have some fantasy of a Platonic word cave in which the &#8220;true essence&#8221; of words can be found. Your entire argument is based on the premise that &#8220;recuse&#8221; is &#8220;transitive&#8221; in some essentially true way. This is silly. If we want to know how recuse should be used, we must look at how it is used. </p>
<p>As for your sarcastic argument that using &#8220;recuse&#8221; without an object is an instance of some more-abstract rule that &#8220;when the object is not stated, the object is the subject,&#8221; this, too, is just silly. Your &#8220;rule&#8221; is obviously not a rule, but no one said or implied that it was. You&#8217;ve simply picked an arbitrary level of abstraction to describe what&#8217;s happening with &#8220;recuse&#8221;; at a lower level of abstraction—that is, at the level of the word &#8220;recuse&#8221; itself—there&#8217;s no problem with the &#8220;rule&#8221; (which is really just a description of linguistic facts about how &#8220;recuse&#8221; is used) that &#8220;recuse&#8221; when used non-reflexively is implicitly reflexive.</p>
<p>This should prove my point (though I expect that you are too enamored of your Platonic word cave to agree):</p>
<p>(1) The man masturbated.<br />
(2) The man masturbated his dog.</p>
<p>Both of these are standard English. Neither of them is ambiguous, and neither of them is an instance of some &#8220;new rule&#8221; in which an object, because unstated, is the subject. To the extent that there is a &#8220;rule&#8221; at work here, it is this:  </p>
<p>When transitive verbs are used reflexively, the reflexive pronoun (the direct object) need not always be expressed. When the reflexive pronoun is omitted, the verb will be understood to be reflexive.</p>
<p>Examples abound:</p>
<p>(1) I washed. (Understood to mean &#8220;I washed myself.&#8221;)<br />
(2) I washed my car.</p>
<p>Or:</p>
<p>(1) I shaved. (Understood to mean &#8220;I shaved myself.&#8221;)<br />
(2) I shaved my cat.</p>
<p>Etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Of Transitive Verbs and Judges in Jail &#171; Mister Thorne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Of Transitive Verbs and Judges in Jail &#171; Mister Thorne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a lively debate at Set in Style about recuse &#8212; is it strictly transitive, or can it be [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Thorne</title>
		<link>http://misterthorne.org/set_in_style/2009/06/08/recuse-who/comment-page-1/#comment-36449</link>
		<dc:creator>Thorne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most interesting. It seems as if the new rule is this -- when the object is not stated, the object is the subject.

To say:

[The] court ruled that judges must &lt;i&gt;remove&lt;/i&gt; from the cases . . . .

Means they must remove themselves.

In the long run, we&#039;ll probably save a sheet of paper per year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most interesting. It seems as if the new rule is this &#8212; when the object is not stated, the object is the subject.</p>
<p>To say:</p>
<p>[The] court ruled that judges must <i>remove</i> from the cases . . . .</p>
<p>Means they must remove themselves.</p>
<p>In the long run, we&#8217;ll probably save a sheet of paper per year.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more dictionary to weigh in with: the New Oxford American Dictionary (2d ed. 2005) lists &quot;recuse&quot; as a transitive verb only. Included in the definition of the transitive verb is the sense of excusing oneself from a case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more dictionary to weigh in with: the New Oxford American Dictionary (2d ed. 2005) lists &#8220;recuse&#8221; as a transitive verb only. Included in the definition of the transitive verb is the sense of excusing oneself from a case.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 00:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Bobo Linq on this one. Justice Scalia is not one who sacrifices good usage for the sake of political correctness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Bobo Linq on this one. Justice Scalia is not one who sacrifices good usage for the sake of political correctness.</p>
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		<title>By: Thorne</title>
		<link>http://misterthorne.org/set_in_style/2009/06/08/recuse-who/comment-page-1/#comment-36415</link>
		<dc:creator>Thorne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 00:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK. So I’m on the bus and I’m reading yesterday’s article about the court’s decision re recusal. From the &lt;i&gt;New York Times:&lt;/i&gt;

[The] ruling on conflicts of interest among elected judges could prompt a deluge of requests for judges to &lt;i&gt;recuse&lt;/i&gt; themselves from cases.

[The] court ruled that judges must &lt;i&gt;remove&lt;/i&gt; themselves from cases that involve . . . .

The court . . . ruled that the Constitution requires judges to &lt;i&gt;disqualify&lt;/i&gt; themselves from hearing a case . . .

So . . . what happens when we just start converting transitive verbs into intransitive verbs to avoid sexism (as the speculation goes)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. So I’m on the bus and I’m reading yesterday’s article about the court’s decision re recusal. From the <i>New York Times:</i></p>
<p>[The] ruling on conflicts of interest among elected judges could prompt a deluge of requests for judges to <i>recuse</i> themselves from cases.</p>
<p>[The] court ruled that judges must <i>remove</i> themselves from cases that involve . . . .</p>
<p>The court . . . ruled that the Constitution requires judges to <i>disqualify</i> themselves from hearing a case . . .</p>
<p>So . . . what happens when we just start converting transitive verbs into intransitive verbs to avoid sexism (as the speculation goes)?</p>
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		<title>By: Bobo Linq</title>
		<link>http://misterthorne.org/set_in_style/2009/06/08/recuse-who/comment-page-1/#comment-36395</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobo Linq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Garner&#039;s Modern Legal Usage says that &quot;&#039;Recuse&#039; is almost invariably reflexive; that is, judges are said to &#039;recuse themselves.&#039;&quot; I believe that the challenged usage — &quot;requires a state judge to recuse&quot; — is best thought of as a form ellipsis, not as an intransitive form. That is, &quot;The judge will recuse&quot; is an elliptical form of &quot;The judge will recuse himself.&quot;  

So to Thorne&#039;s statement, &quot;Like ‘accuse’ and ‘excuse,’ ‘recuse’ needs an object, else we don’t know who was recused,&quot; we can answer: Are you kidding? We absolutely know — if we speak English — that when we read &quot;The judge recused,&quot; we know that the judge himself was recused. You would have to be entirely ignorant of how the word &quot;recuse&quot; is used to wonder whether &quot;The judge recused&quot; could mean that the judge recused anyone else.

Finally, in his dissent in Caperton, Justice Scalia asks: &quot;In the best of all possible worlds, should judges sometimes recuse even where the clear commands of our prior due process law do not require it?&quot; 

Lexicography is an empirical science, not a theoretical one, and this is pretty good evidence that &quot;recuse&quot; does not need an explicit direct object.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Garner&#8217;s Modern Legal Usage says that &#8220;&#8216;Recuse&#8217; is almost invariably reflexive; that is, judges are said to &#8216;recuse themselves.&#8217;&#8221; I believe that the challenged usage — &#8220;requires a state judge to recuse&#8221; — is best thought of as a form ellipsis, not as an intransitive form. That is, &#8220;The judge will recuse&#8221; is an elliptical form of &#8220;The judge will recuse himself.&#8221;  </p>
<p>So to Thorne&#8217;s statement, &#8220;Like ‘accuse’ and ‘excuse,’ ‘recuse’ needs an object, else we don’t know who was recused,&#8221; we can answer: Are you kidding? We absolutely know — if we speak English — that when we read &#8220;The judge recused,&#8221; we know that the judge himself was recused. You would have to be entirely ignorant of how the word &#8220;recuse&#8221; is used to wonder whether &#8220;The judge recused&#8221; could mean that the judge recused anyone else.</p>
<p>Finally, in his dissent in Caperton, Justice Scalia asks: &#8220;In the best of all possible worlds, should judges sometimes recuse even where the clear commands of our prior due process law do not require it?&#8221; </p>
<p>Lexicography is an empirical science, not a theoretical one, and this is pretty good evidence that &#8220;recuse&#8221; does not need an explicit direct object.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just walked downstairs to consult my firm&#039;s big dictionary: Random House Webster&#039;s Unabridged Dictionary (2d ed. 2001). It provides two definitions, one transitive and one intransitive. The intransitive definition is &quot;to withdraw from a position of judging so as to avoid any semblance of partiality or bias.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just walked downstairs to consult my firm&#8217;s big dictionary: Random House Webster&#8217;s Unabridged Dictionary (2d ed. 2001). It provides two definitions, one transitive and one intransitive. The intransitive definition is &#8220;to withdraw from a position of judging so as to avoid any semblance of partiality or bias.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Ward</title>
		<link>http://misterthorne.org/set_in_style/2009/06/08/recuse-who/comment-page-1/#comment-36384</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to remember Bryan Garner suggesting that, to avoid sexism, the reflexive pronoun can be dropped as object of the sentence when the judge may be male or female. But I can&#039;t find anything suggesting that in the Garner-edited books on my desk, so I may be mistaken about attributing this suggestion to him. At any rate, this suggestion seems sensible when &quot;recuse&quot; is reflexive, as the context will usually make plain who is being recused.

A dictionary in my office (Webster&#039;s New College Dictionary (Wiley Publishing Inc. 2007)) lists &quot;recuse&quot; as both transitive and intransitive.* Also OED online lists &quot;recuse&quot; as transitive and (in North America and South Africa) reflexive and occasionally intransitive. At home, I have an Oxford American dictionary; it&#039;ll be interesting to see what that says. 

* I realize that not all &quot;Webster&#039;s&quot; are Merriam-Websters. But this one seems to have a solid group of editors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to remember Bryan Garner suggesting that, to avoid sexism, the reflexive pronoun can be dropped as object of the sentence when the judge may be male or female. But I can&#8217;t find anything suggesting that in the Garner-edited books on my desk, so I may be mistaken about attributing this suggestion to him. At any rate, this suggestion seems sensible when &#8220;recuse&#8221; is reflexive, as the context will usually make plain who is being recused.</p>
<p>A dictionary in my office (Webster&#8217;s New College Dictionary (Wiley Publishing Inc. 2007)) lists &#8220;recuse&#8221; as both transitive and intransitive.* Also OED online lists &#8220;recuse&#8221; as transitive and (in North America and South Africa) reflexive and occasionally intransitive. At home, I have an Oxford American dictionary; it&#8217;ll be interesting to see what that says. </p>
<p>* I realize that not all &#8220;Webster&#8217;s&#8221; are Merriam-Websters. But this one seems to have a solid group of editors.</p>
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